And....here.....we.....go!

[midnight503]

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[Mac]

Very nice.  Glad you were able to meet the Murphy's.

[admin]

Very interesting, thank you Emperor, Bobby and Master Murphy. I did not get a chance to compare it to the translation from the SBD Dae Gahm but it does look similar to the bit I saw. Can you share any background on how they learned this, where it came from?

Here is the translation that GM Ferraro provided if anyone wants to compare it to the video. I will take a stab at it in a couple of days.

(1) This military exercise is a same overflow as "Naianghi" form. but it's movements starts more from the middle than "Naianghi" form and moves toward left and upward.

(2) The ready stance is in triangle position and relaxed.

(3) Facing front, raise elbows in horizontal position.

(4) This form starts with the extension of the right hand.

(5) the left hand hits the right hand at the point and then the hands cross each other move hands toward the right center.

(6) Make one step to the right, face front, make a same position as #3

(7) The body and eyes face the same direction. Turn left and lift the right leg to left side take 1 step and face front of form...both hands will be raised

( Keep the left side same step to a horse stance with the left hands in fighting stance.

(9) The right foot will stay the same. The left foot will face left side. Turn toward the front. The body will face front.

(10) Facing left, the left foot will stay in place. Make right foot attack (type of kick not clear) and land in defensive stance.

(11) In the same stance, the left arm will extend toward the right side, the right fist will turn downward

(12) The right foot will steps to right side and bends at the knee (probably front stance). The front side of your body will face the front of form and your eyes will be looking to the left side. The left foot will be extended. The right hand will block upward. The left hand will block upward (probably reverse high block).

(13) The left foot will face left. The body and eyes will face towards the back of the form and repeat the motions in #8

(14) Same motions as #9.

(15) The left foot stays the same. The right foot comes together towards the left foot. Your head turns towards the back of the form and make a high punch.

(16) Lift left foot and raise body upward.

(17) The right foot will stay on floor and pivot and the left foot will face the right side with the head turned to the right. Same action as #7.

(18) Twist to a reverse front stance facing left side of form. Head turned to the right side and prepare for attack (defensive stance). Execute a left punch and backfist.

(19) The right foot will make a front kick to the front land in front stance

(20) Facing the right side the left foot will stay right side and the right foot will step once and make front kick.

(21) Same as #20 except reverse left and right.

(22) Same as #21 except reverse left and right.

(23) Turn toward left, the left foot will be make a fighting stance and execute a middle punch.

(24) The right fist will punch the left side

(25) Same as #24 except reverse left and right

(26) Same as #25 except reverse left and right. Open the left hand and push forward

(27) The left foot will lift to the right side. The right side will be centered and lift the left foot, and make a right hand high block and a simultaneous left arm low block.

(28) With both hands push forward. Then make a right hand low block. The head and body will face the left side of the form.

(29) The left foot will stay the same. the left hand will open and push forward

(30) The right foot will turn towards the back of the form and bend at the knee

(31) Step forward one step

(32) Kick with left foot. The right hand will be open and hold the left hand.

(33) The right foot will execute a front kick before the left foot touches the ground.

(34) Facing the back of the form, put the feet together. the arme will make a middle block (probably an inside to outside block).

(35) Turning hips to the left, the body will face the right side of the form. The left foot steps one step, both hands will be the same as #34.

(36) The right foot moves forward, the left hand will punch forward. the right hand will punch to the right side.

(37) The left foot will step forward

(38) the right foot will step forward, jump in the air and turn to the left side of the form. The face and body will continue to face the front. Stay in the horse stance. The left hand will face downward.

(39) The right foot stays the same. The left foot moves to the right bringing both feet together. The left hand makes a middle block and the right hand extends forward.

(40) Same as #7

(41) Same as #8

(42) Turn left, attack the middle...same as #20

(43) Same as #42, except reverse the left and right

(44) Same as #42, the opposite of #43

(45) Turn left, the head and body will face the right side of the form. The right foot will stay on the ground. The left foot will lift and the execute a right high block.

(46) At the time the left foot touches the ground. The body will be facing the rear of the form. The upper body will turn towards the back of the form and both hands will stretch forward.

(47) Same as #46, the right foot will step forward. the left foot will be facing the right side of the form. Execute a right punch.

(48) Before the left foot lands, the right foot will make a front kick

(49) Both feet land together, twist hips to the rear, head and body will front of the form. Make a left middle block and a simultaneous right punch. Repeat #s 46, 47, 48, and 49.

(50) Right foot moves forward, the body and head will face the left side of the form

(51) Step with the right foot, the body and head will face the rear of the form

(52) Raise the right foot and make a high block with the right hand while making a left hand low block

(53) Both hands will come together, keep the right foot raised and reverse the hands

(54) Bend the right knee and stomp with the left foot and repeat the moves from #s 52, 53, 54

(55) The right foot stays the same. The left foot will step forward one step to the right side of the form. The head and body will turn to the right side of the form.

(56) The left foot will make a front kick and the right hand will be chambered and ready for an attack.

(57) The same motion as #55 and #56 except reverse the left and the right

(58) The same motion as #57 except reverse the left and the right

(59) The left foot will face front, make a right low block to the front of the form

(60) Same as #11, except the body and head will be in different direction'

(61) Same motion as #12 except the direction

(62) Facing the front of the form, the body turns to the left side, the right foot will come together with the left foot.

(63) Bend the knees and extend both arms, the right fist will punch upward.

(64) Jump and turn to the left. The body and head turn to the rear of the form. Land in a horse stance

(65) The left hand makes a block to the front and the right fist makes a low block

(66) The left foot will come to the right foot, the body and head will be facing the rear of the form. the left fist makes a low block and the right fist will execute a punch.

(67) The left foot will face the right side and you will take one step. the left foot will be in a fighting stance. The body and head will face the right side of the form.

(68) Facing East, the right foot will move one step. Make a left then right punch.

(69) Same motion as #41.

(70) Same motion as #66 except the direction and the body and head will face the front

(71) Same motion as #70 except the left foot will raise to the right knee.

(72) Same motion as #7

(73) Same motion as #7

(74) Same motion as #9

(75) Same motion as #20

(76) Same motion as #21 Reverse of #75

(77) Same motion as #76, Reverse the direction

(78) Same motion as #77, Reverse the direction

(79) Same motion as #78, Reverse the direction

(80) The face and head will face the rear, same motion as #55.

(81) Turning towards the right side, same motion as #56

(82) As the left foot touches the ground land in a fighting stance with your head facing the left side of the form. Make a left punch and chamber the right fist.

(83) Same motion as #82. Except the reverse the left and the right.

(84) Same motion as #3

(85) Same motion as #2

---THE END---

[wu_de]

with such clear and concise instructions, it is amazing that this form was forgotten (sarcasm)

looks fun.  thanks very much for sharing!

[admin]

Bad news guys I spoke with someone whom saw the MDK SRJK performed on two seperate occasions by two seperate people one H.C Hwang corrected the persons postures, and he says that version is well performed but not the same version.

Nice form though maybe it's a version or the version and somewhere in the confusing MDK history things changed.

[midnight503]

Well.....your source might want to rethink the concreteness of his conclusion.  Hank Murphy talked to me about the 'changes' made by Hwang Kee to the form.  This IS the So Rim Jang Kwon Hyung.   If it doesn't match someone's version perfectly.....they need to pull the head out of their nether parts and realize that the Murphy's got the form via Kwon Bup sources.....the same people Hwang Kee worked with when he was back in Korea.   In Master Murphy's words, "Hwang Kee somewhat 'karaticized' the movements' which gave the MDK version its own paticular version.  Nonetheless...this is the form.  If you want to see a TSD MDK version....it would be up to you to simply do the movements as they would do the movements.   Some of the hand positions were changed by Hwang Kee and Master Murphy showed me some of those changes.

Here's a thought....why don't you guys just ask Hank Murphy yourself?   I found him to be gracious and open about talking about all of this stuff.  Think about it.....do any of you know a bigger *sshole in TSD than me?!!!   If he'd talk to me then....well....do the math!

John Hancock

[admin]

That's why I said:

Nice form though maybe it's a version or the version and somewhere in the confusing MDK history things changed

Nice to see it finally. I is VERY similar to one that I had practiced years ago called SRJK also except this baby has a lot more moves.

[wu_de]

If I read steps 82 and 83 correctly, the hyung should end with a punch to the left and a punch to the right? 

If so, I don't see that here

I tend to be a pretty visual learner, but the written description seems very cryptic... a set of notes that only makes sense if you know the form, and tough to reverse engineer.

[cferraro04]

John thank you for contacting Master Murphy and getting this form on tape.  I can't say whether or not it is "the So Rim Jang Kwon" practiced by Hwang Kee but a simple observation of the form clearly gives one the impression that it is definitely from the same family.  Thanks to you and the Murphy's for getting us a giant step closer to closing the book on this TSD mystery. 

I will make one observation from watching the form...it is clear that if this is the So Rim Jang Kwon form of the MDK...while the demonstration was excellent it was probably not the most advanced form of the So Rim Jang Kwon school.  I have long surmised that if Hwang Kee was able to learn the form given the amount of time he actually spent in China that it was unlikely that he would get the most advanced version but rather that he probably was given an intermediate level form.  So can you imagine what the advanced forms must look like

[cferraro04]

The Youtube link at the bottom of the video is not a working link...can we get the actual youtube link please.

[admin]

trythislinkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rFdPKK-dZ4

[midnight503]

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[wu_de]

i liked the other one better...  now it's private.    glad i saved it.

[admin]

Hey what's up where did the video go?

[GOA-TSD]

Please wu-de
are you able to reload the video or any link, for me and any others that lost the chance?
Thanks